No matter how much beer seems to be growing, it still seems to remain wine’s ugly cousin. Many, many, many presumptions keep beer’s status well below what it ought to be. I’ve often seen complaints from people about the cost of a four or six pack, yet those same people don’t have an issue paying $15-20 for a bottle for wine. Why is that?
A minor epiphany occurred to me while I was at the chiropractor yesterday. I picked-up a Food & Wine magazine. Please note the name of the magazine and its conspicuous non-use of beer. At any rate, I read this article about some people who have, through online arrangements, made it a point to come together and try wines. Often the people will pay a few hundred dollars just for the privilege of getting into the drastically limited available positions. Not only this, they will pay for food (as these are mostly held at great restaurants), more wine, and the expense of the very nice bottle/bottles they bring. In fact, not to bring a nice wine is to almost guarantee that you will never be welcome back.
Still more shocking is the fact that some people will literally take a day (or two) trip to taste wine. Flying all over the country, and sometimes the world, is not unusual. Can you imagine this happening with beer?
Like many of you, part of the reason I love beer is because there is a, generally speaking, a lack of pretension in the beer world. I’ve been seeing some recently, mainly from people who claim higher abilities and fame than the actually have, but generally, we are a very down to earth bunch…a fact for which I’m very thankful.
However, my epiphany smacks against some of the above thoughts. Here it is. Wine’s nostalgia over and above beer is almost purely based on perception. Of course, the history of gastronomy, as well as some other factors, have really raised the status of wine. But the long and short of what I want to say is this: elite gatherings, expensive bottles, rare bottles and attitudes from those factors makes people commonly willing to pay $15-20 (or far more) for a bottle of wine. My opinion is that the higher end and rarer stuff makes the wider public more willing to pay the prices for decent wine. In other words, my “epiphany” follows along the same lines. I think beer needs some elitism to flourish in the same way that wine does.
I personally don’t have the money and perhaps the stomach or patience for something like this, but I do have bottles that will make this possible in 20 years. I get the impression that within the next several years we will start seeing some online communities (I’m sure there are a few already) that will make the scene. My thoughts are simple. When people are seeing vintage or rare beers in the same context in which they see wines, the beer landscape has the ability to be seen very differently. Think about it, isn’t this happening already? People are paying $800 for vintage Hair of the Dog stuff.
Maybe people will view buying Budweiser in the same way that they view buying Boon’s farm. I think I can speak for the general public when I say that they will rarely go below $10 for a wine with their dinner. My hope is the that same will happen with beer bottles and six packs. I don’t see beer raising quite as high as wine prices, but I do see the necessity of raising the appeal. And that, like it or not, may happen through elite drinkers, chefs, and the gastronomic snobs…mine is a theory in progress, so please feel free to disagree. Just don’t misconstrue what I’m actually saying.
Interesting post!
“Flying all over the country, and sometimes the world, is not unusual. Can you imagine this happening with beer?”
It already is. Didn’t you fly back to Indiana to get some Dark Lord? I know people who flew here for that release, plus a bunch more who are flying in to go to the Great Taste of the Midwest in Madison, WI. Not to mention all of the BeerAdvocate festivals and GABF. True a festival isn’t exactly the same as flying in for a wine dinner, but it’s pretty close.
“My opinion is that the higher end and rarer stuff makes the wider public more willing to pay the prices for decent wine.”
Also already happening. Easily selling out of $20 bottles of beer is encouraging people to raise their prices. Every time I buy beer it seems that the common price point is higher. Bombers were $8 or so for the most part when I first got going, but now most are in the $10-$14 range. Not to mention the silly bomber pricing in the first place. I can buy Goose Island Bourbon County Stout for $22 per 4-pack or $14 per bomber, a roughly 40% price premium!
“When people are seeing vintage or rare beers in the same context in which they see wines, the beer landscape has the ability to be seen very differently.”
Your Hair of the Dog example is good, plus there are bars that sell vintage beer.
The last thing I want for beer is elitism. This is already starting to creep in with the rare and limited releases, people trading for European exclusives, and stuff like this, and it’s a huge turn off. There’s really nothing worse than a smug beer geek, and their numbers are climbing quickly.
There at least one beer dinner every month in Indianapolis. Keep in mind that these are usually over $50 a plate in a very small craft beer market. I can only imagine what goes on in major markets. I know a guy in Texas that goes to pay-to-play tastings on a regular basis, which isn’t all that different from your wine dinner example.
Much of what you’re calling for is already going down, both good and bad. I just hope that the jerks don’t ruin it for us who simply enjoy good beers over good laughs with good friends.
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I agree with much of what you said. But I’m thinking the difference is definitely one of degree. I did go home but my family also lives in Indiana, so that was the biggest part of flying out. We are starting to see some of this, which I’m happy about (still an issue of degree, in my opinion).
Agreed about the price increases. I’m simply pointing that there is still a wide cultural view against paying $10-15 six pack but not for one bottle of wine. I agree with bombers notion because the prices have gone up and I’m hoping that the single bottle will definitely give wine some competition (in fame…not price).
I was tempted to include the fact that most of the beer dinners are hosted by craft brewers, which points to the idea that it hasn’t permeated the wider public quite as much.
Last of all, I hate pretentious beer snobs and jerks. It is my fondest hope that beer elite don’t become the norm. The truth is that this is really a small segment of the wine population (the really elite) but it does seem to raise awareness and respect for wine. I think a small segment of beer elite might be a necessary evil in the same way. I hope it doesn’t get out of control, over-price, or replace just hanging with good friends.
As a current home and future commercial brewer, I really hope for the general public to think more highly of beer…that’s the really issue for me.
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I agree with Howard too. I see this happening already, Beer pairing dinners, Craft Beer week, Beer and Cheese pairings, its all happening, and if it is happening in Boise it is happening everywhere! I think that there are a couple differences that hold beer back a little too. First, Wine is aged in oak. Some beer is, but usually not. This could account for an increase in the price of wine. Second Wine can be corked and enjoyed for up to a week, beer cannot. Unless you are talking about the uber high ABV brews, once opened beer needs to be drank within the evening. This makes it less appealing to some who don’t want to drink an entire bomber in one sitting. That’s about I have to contribute. Good post Mike.
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Thanks for the compliment, Don. I think more resealable Grolsch type tops for really strong beers might be worth trying out. Wine should really be consumed within a couple days of opening, so the Grolsch top would give beer and equal shelf-life.
As far as your point about the expense of wine goes, I agree that the barreling adds some cost. However, don’t forget that several things add to the cost of beer that are not true with wine. For instance, wine has a readily available sugar reserve. Beer does not. Energy costs of mashing really add to the cost of the brew. Water volume adds, heating the water adds, sparging adds and boiling that wort also adds. Other things could (and maybe should be added) but I’m illustrating that beer also has production costs that wine doesn’t.
I do appreciate you and Howard interacting. One of the real joys of writing this site is that the people who interact do so substantially…thanks guys.
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I’m of the opinion that dollar for dollar, beer beats wine any day! You can get an ‘awesome’ beer(s) so much cheaper than what is considered to be an ‘awesome’ wine. That’s factoring in all the stuff Michael mentioned in the comments.
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You are right, Scott. Dollar for dollar there is not even a comparison. I’m just hoping to see beer treated with more respect.
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