Craft beer people are some of the best human beings on the planet. My interview with The Bruery, interactions with people at the Lost Abbey, and the fact that Phil at Skyscraper gave me (although it was brief because of monetary issues) an opportunity to work in a micro setting, show that I’m the first to point out how great these guys really are. Time and again, I’ve seen Sam from DFH take a few minutes to give and interview to a blogger, like Peter from Simply Beer. I’ve also seen Garrett Oliver give Peter the same time and effort. I could go on because craft brewers are people who easily and without contrivance ingratiate themselves to you.
Nate and I love craft beer brewers and don’t exactly keep it a secret. I’m personally one of the first to give craft brewers acclamation and praise where it’s due. And I also make it an effort to be honest about my experiences and interactions with them. It’s from that place that this post comes, so I hope you understand that I’m not being vindictive when I write this next bit; I’m simply being honest about the one craft beer jerk out there whom I’ve met.
As many of you know, Nate and I want to start our own brewery in a few years. Any experience that I can get on a commercial level in the meantime is invaluable for our future venture. As a result, I check in with craft brewers from time to time to see if they need some help (I now have a bit of experience to add to the equation). Let me set the stage: when I first moved to CA I emailed a couple of brewers in Southern California to see if they needed any help. Of the two that I emailed, one responded to me. He told me that he was sorry and that he’d like to be able to help but couldn’t. Later on, he got back with me, and I actually worked there for a bit.
The other person never bothered to email me back. I understood, I really did. Brewers are extremely busy people, and I’m sure they have a lot of emails to go through on top of working long and thankless days. I fully expect this to be our situation when we get off the ground. Disappointed, yes. Angry, not in the least. Fast forward to yesterday. Having looked up the location and driven over to this brewery, I pulled in and started talking to a brewer. He informed me that the owner (the one I’d emailed before) was out getting them some lunch. Sounds like a good guy, I thought. Anyway, the brewer was a really nice guy. We chatted for a few minutes, and he had plenty of time to talk and shoot the breeze, so it didn’t seem things were a rush at the moment.
As I was asking him if the brewery needed any help, the owner pulled up, brought the lunch in, and set it down. Looking askance, he seemed not to take much note of me. The brewer identified him as the owner, and I proceeded to tell him my name. Then I asked him whether they were in need of any help. Obviously, I expected a yes or no answer. If yes, I figured some follow up questions about qualifications and experience would ensue. If no, I figured I’d maybe get a “Sorry, we don’t need help right now,” or “We’d like to, but we just can’t have any more people because we just don’t sell enough to justify employing them.” Something like that. You get the idea. Which is why I was so surprised a moment later.
“Nope” was all I got, and the owner walked away like I was simply an insignificant worm. No dignifying of my presence, no explanation, no interaction with me at all. Now I’m not an overly sensitive person, but between the short verbal and attitude, I was scarred for life. Hearing the word no isn’t an issue for me. They either did or they didn’t have a job. Approach is everything, though. Forgive me for demanding some civility from people, but “no” and simply walking away is a rude and ineffective approach to dealing with people. And now the unreturned email is making a little more sense, too.
(By the way, he wasn’t that busy. He went to the office and sat down. And if he was busy, he could have said so and I would have understood.)
It seems to me that it is in a craft brewer’s best interest to be affable to those people with whom they interact, especially those in their local market. After all, those are the people who will say either good or ill about the product. Beyond that, those people may have a site where they can actually promote a product and at least tell people how good a line-up is or what a great person a brewer is. Either way, being an ass very rarely pays dividends. I pledge, here and now, that this will never be the case when Nate and I are off the ground.
I’d like to be able to tell you how good or bad the products from this brewery are (I’ve tried a couple), but I won’t be able to. Why? Because I’ll never buy a product from this brewery under any circumstances. I’m not looking to be appeased, nor do I want an apology, and I certainly don’t want an explanation about how it was a misunderstanding…I know better than that. What I do want our readers to know is that there are a ton of great craft brewers out there who are some of the best people on the planet but Craftsman Brewery’s owner, Mark Jilg, in Pasadena, California, in my experience, is not one of them.
Dang, that’s too bad. I’ve not had any experiences like that around here north of Seattle. Every time I or my friends have chatted with a brewer/owner at a brewery, we’ve had nothing but good interactions. Many times, it’s hard to get a word in edgewise because we’re talking about beer. Some are reluctant to discuss the ingredients in their beer, others may even give you the recipe. But it’s always a pleasant exchange. It’s a shame this brewery lost out on a good customer.
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Agreed! I was polite, friendly, and interested. I’m none of those now. I’m not posting to be spiteful but I do want people to know what the score is, Like you, I’ve only ever had good interactions. Tyler, from the Bruery, in particular has always been very friendly with me. The reason I wrote about it was because it was such a shock to experience what I did…it’s outside the norm. I tried not to overreact. And, like I said, the brewer was a really nice guy. The owner was a whole other story.
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Craft Brewing is getting big, there’s money to be made. Sadly, this means plenty of opportunists are jumping in. Aside from them, there are plenty of people who are just douchebags…
posts like this are great because it helps me weed out the ones that I don’t need to give my money to… plenty of great breweries who need my money.
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What’s up, man? Glad to see you here and commenting. You’re right…it’s just too bad that I even have to feel compelled to write something like this. Like I said, I love praising the good ones, so I’m going to denigrate the bad ones, too.
I’m glad the post is being appreciated and I hope it really gets the word out. I do have to mention that the guy has been brewing since 1995, so he’s not new to the scene. In my opinion, that makes it worse.
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First thanks for shout out, appreciate it.
Both Sam and Garrett were open and friendly as well as Vinnie (Russian River), Rob Tod(Allagash), Scott Vacarro(Capt. Lawrence), Greg Zaccardi(Ramstien), and a host of small regional brewers have been nothing but gracious, friendly and helpful. I’ve had my share of no thanks or no responses to emails. I’m good with that, like you, but thankfully I’ve never been blown off like that. It’s a shame, but thankfully that is the exception not the norm. I wouldn’t want to be associated w/ an industry where that is the norm.
I recently met a guy, Matt Steinberg, tomorrow will be his inaugural batch. The first out of his brewhouse. I’m going to be there to witness the newest NJ brewery start up. But he is like us, wants to make good beer and people happy. Another good beer person (homebrewer) starting a brewery. I wish him all the luck in this rapidly (re)evolving industry.
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Sorry to hear that Michael – maybe he was having a bad day, but it doesn’t take much time or effort to be polite. Should have been obvious that you’re not just some dude off the street – you might know more about beer than he does!
I’m glad you called them out.
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I’m really sorry to hear about this Mike. Normally I would say maybe he was having a bad day but the fact that he didn’t answer your initial email and then just blew you off like that is sort of a representation of his character.
Something similar happened to Joey, the owner of Cigar City, recently that made waves around BA and RateBeer. I know lots of people that have met him before and said he was more than gracious. Then just one day he got an email from someone that he didn’t like and went off on the guy. He later admitted he handled it wrong and honestly the guy who emailed him kind of baited him into it but just shows people have bad days.
But yeah someone people have bad days while others are just bad people. I’m glad you wrote about this though, maybe he will hear about it or read it and decide to make some changes with the way he handles people.
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@ Peter. No problem for the shout out at all. I love sending people your way and also providing some examples of good people in the industry. It is great that the it’s not the normative character of people. Keep me posted on the new brewery. Stories like that really give me hope.
@ Scott. I don’t know about knowing more about beer. Maybe, maybe not. What I do know is that I’m better socially. I wasn’t just some guy off the street but he shouldn’t behave that way to anyone at any time. Bad days are tough but one easy rule to remember, which we all know, is not to take it out on other people. I’m glad I posted about it, too.
@ Mike. The bad day thing never flies when you are dealing with the public and you are a craft brewer. It might be understandable if I’d been the one to provoke something but I was just going in. I read about Joey and I agree that he responded impulsively. The guy who emailed him was an jerk, too, I read the whole exchange a while back and Joey was right in a lot of what he said but he sure could have framed it differently. Both parties were wrong. In this case, I was just a guy looking for a brew job and didn’t instigate.
@ At all. I do hope he hears about it. I’m not looking for anything from him in the way of an apology…I just wanted to share. If you guys think about it, give it a tweet. Thanks for all of your interactions.
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Again, my sympathies. Like you said, and fortunately for us, this guy is the anomaly. I don’t understand how you can make beer for a living and not have a constant grin affixed to your face.
It is good to hear these stories, as they serve a lesson on how we need to do business in the future!
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Let me say, to preface, that I don’t know Mark Jilg at all. But he has, either inadvertently or purposefully, created a public persona of prickly at best. I saw him at a panel at an beer event in Echo Park and he was engaging and passionate about beer. The same at the Descanso Gardens LA Beer Week finale. He was behind the taps and smiling.
From what I have heard through hopvines though, paints a different picture. And from the poorly done, never updated website, to yearly rumors of bottled production to not being open to the public only enforces the negative side of things. I have spoken with people who work with him who are generous of time and spirit but he appears to not have people skills that even an introvert like myself have.
But thanks for staying positive. There is plenty of great craft beer in the sea!
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Welcome. I’m not going to let a bad apple ruin the bunch. I was happy to say that his other people were great and the other brewer even tried to be conversational after the blow-off. I’m sure he was trying to smooth it over a bit, which he shouldn’t have to do, by conversing when his boss behaved apishly. Thanks for confirming the my impression and stating what the public persona is.
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Nice use of the word hopvines, by the way. I think I’ll use it…giving you full credit, of course.
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