A recent twitter update caught my attention, as it triumphantly declared to the world that Americans are finally drinking more beer than wine. Houston, we have a problem. First of all, the tweeter had his facts wrong. Beer outsells wine in the US. Second, his source was a Canadian article from 2006 that actually stated that while Canadian wine was on the rise, beer was still in first place.
The gross misrepresentation of the facts reveals an ubiquitous arbitrary and adversarial attitude present in both the hardcore beer and wine communities. There almost seems to be a Montague–Capulet type of feud going on between these two cultures.
No doubt, I, a beer fanatic, cannot objectively approach the situation. I find beer the much more enjoyable and palatable beverage. However, the fact that beer is less expensive and more widely consumed leads to an overall public misconception that wine is more sophisticated (in general) than beer…a misconception that is battled at every level. Stone brewery has even hosted a “beer vs. wine dinner,” to elevate beers status (as opposed to denigrating wine’s).
Does such an adversarial relationship need to exist?
I’ll be honest. I enjoy a nice glass of wine. I have about 20 bottles or so in my basement. My dad has a vinyard and ferments his own specialty wines, that I can’t wait to try. Still, I would be willing to bet that 99% of my yearly alcohol alcohol intake is in the form of beer.
The blog, Yours for Good Fermentables makes an excellent case for peaceful coexistence between the two camps, making use of an article by wine blogger, Eric Asimov:
Beer and wine are not in competition. Yet people in the wine business, who I assure you drink an awful lot of beer, don’t often take it seriously as a beverage. And people in the beer business, perhaps in reaction to not-so-imaginary slights, rarely even acknowledge the existence of wine, much less deem it worthy of drinking. <…> The enemy of beer is not wine and the enemy of wine is not beer, just as the enemy of bread is not fruit and vice versa. But the enemy of good beer and good wine, and good food in general, is bad beer, bad wine and, yes, bad food.
The enemy of good wine is the atrocious marketing that makes wine an aspirational commodity, just another luxury good to purchase for its status value.
Well said, although, in the sense of the free market beer and wine are in competition not only with each other, but with themselves: other brewers and vintners.
In the sense that both the wine geek and the beer geek both enjoy the fruit of fermentation, the animosity is unecessary, and perhaps both parties need to learn to appreciate eath other’s niche. In reality, the divisiveness stems from a sense of inferiority. After all, no beer drinker I’ve met flinches when beer and whiskey are given equal accomodation.
In a bold move, brewers (including myself) have begun experimenting with grapes and even wine yeast. Case in point, Allagash Victor Ale. I don’t suppose that you’ll find Allagash heckling a wine connoisseur any time soon and vise versa.
Take this article however you will. Just keep in mind, just because one says that they prefer beer over wine, or even that beer is better than wine, they are certainly NOT saying that the beer drinker is better or better off than the wine drinker; and that, I believe, is a pretty good definition of coexistence.
Now, what you think?
I think the biggest issue is lack of cross education.
I have found that your average beer drinker is less snobbish about their beverage of choice than your average wine drinker. However, that is large in part due to how the demographic sku’s.
In most cases the hardcore for either greatly respects the other, although sometimes does not understand it on a level that they should. Admittedly, I know less about wine than I would like. This is also often the case with wine drinkers and their knowledge of beer as well. My personal experience with this proves that in my mind. For example, a lot of people say that beer classes are a great intro into wine programs. However, while in beer school the wine people who have attended openly admit that beer classes have been far more difficult. There could be many explanations for this but the common one seems to be that the process of making beer has far more twists and turns. As they say, beer is made, wine is grown.
Somewhat of a rambling explanation however I stick with my original assessment. Cross education between the two will open minds and cause less unneeded animosity between the two factions.
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In the words of Led Zeppelin, Ramble on. You can ramble here anytime you want.
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Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
I agree, cross education never hurts and leads to understanding. My boss is actually taking me and my wife to a wine tasting in a few months. He has a cellar in his basement, thousands of bottles…etc., but he loves hearing about beer and tasting my home brew.
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If you really want to show hardcore wine drinkers the light I suggest stocking up on Belgian brews and showing off the crazyness those people do with yeast. I’ve shown my share of vino heads what’s up with a nice glass of Orval.
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Yeah, actually my christmas beer that is in secondary fermentation (abv17%) uses Brett and a belgian trappist yeast strain. I had in mind some of my wine loving friends as I chose those strains.
There are quite a few sours whose strong acidity and vinegary qualities are very reminiscent of wine.
Great point!
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I was hooked on craft beer the moment I took my first sip of a “real” beer (a Chimay Red). I immediately wanted to know more about what was in it and where I could find other well-crafted brews. It was an epiphany for me.
I’ve tried lots of wine, but I’ve never had a similar experience. But that’s just me.
I used to look down on wine enthusiasts as poseur snobs until I tasted that Chimay Red. After that moment I understood just how exciting trying new beverages can be. Wine still isn’t my thing, but I’ve grown up in my opinions about those who are passionate about it.
I think as craft beers continue to gain popularity, beer will become more respected. I actually don’t care what people think, but it would be nice to find some rare and premium beers on the wine list at a fancy restaurant. Stella just isn’t cutting it!
PS – Thanks for the link!
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@Jim. that sums it up well for me too. I mentioned in my article that the notion that beer is low brow and wine is sophisticated needs to be combatted…that’s why you don’t find a fancy beer at a fancy restaurant. This is a HUGE source of animosity, in my opinion. Refreshing to see a wine guy admit it too (asimov).
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Good post. I admit, I don’t know much about wine. In fact, I’ve been known to make assertions about wine that some wine connoisseurs would make about beer. It’s probably unfair of me, and I suspect that stems from my knowledge (or lack thereof). Over time, I’ve noticed that my palate has changed with respect to wine and I know can actually enjoy a deep, red merlot. Dry wines used to be anathema in my book, but now, not so much. I suppose it’s about being exposed to better quality products, as it is with craft beer: better ingredients used with greater care usually leads to a superior product.
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I find it particularly interesting when beers use grapes, wine casks, and yeasts in it. That type of symbiosis should exist with the drinkers. In my experience, a wine enthusiast who knows the slightest bit about beer respects the beer enthusiast (and vice versa). I do think some of the tension is well founded. Think about it, beer tends to be wines ugly cousin. That being the case, some people’s position on the matter is like all over reactions. It over-corrects the case. But the pendulum still belongs in the middle.
When I worked at Crown liquors, I talked many people into buying a $10-15 bottle of beer by pointing out that they were getting the same size bottle and same (or more) ABV as the Riesling they were buying. Personally, I think wine is still king in it’s perceived value but beer ought to be its queen, rather than a mad duke trying to take the crown.
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@BigTex: I too have been quite incendiary towards winos in the past, but have come to appreciate them more, as well as their love for drinking a quality beverage. I still find myself trying to convert them though; as they try to convert me.
@beer_scientist: I think your right. Once a wine guy learns that beer is actually a craft, they can appreciate it. I guess a wine guy who only knows keystone ice would look shamefully at beer, just like the beer guy who knows nothing but boone’s farms.
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I love wine, almost as much as Whiskey, Scotch, & Tequila, which I love almost as much as beer.
With these, Wine, Whiskey, and Beer, I’m not going to waste my time with something I don’t like. I’m an equal opportunity drinker as long as it is good. I’m not well versed in the Grapes and Techniques of wine or the distilling process of whiskey, but I can appreciate them. (don’t tell anyone but I actually have a wine of the month from my favorite CA winery).
I dunno. I guess some people are just will to listen more and try new things with an open mind then others….
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My pecking order is certainly beer, whiskey, then wine…but I love a good tannic full bodied red or crisp Asti. The funny thing is that being an equal opportunity drinker will ultimately help your beer palate.
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