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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://thankheavenforbeer.com/2009/06/23/a-case-when-not-drinking-beer-is-sinful/comment-page-1/#comment-5433</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an article that makes of sense of desperate measures:

http://insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2009/06/anglican-bishop-church-of-england-likely-gone-in-thirty-years.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an article that makes of sense of desperate measures:</p>
<p><a href="http://insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2009/06/anglican-bishop-church-of-england-likely-gone-in-thirty-years.html" rel="nofollow">http://insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2009/06/anglican-bishop-church-of-england-likely-gone-in-thirty-years.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: beer_scientist</title>
		<link>http://thankheavenforbeer.com/2009/06/23/a-case-when-not-drinking-beer-is-sinful/comment-page-1/#comment-5300</link>
		<dc:creator>beer_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll check out some of those places next time I&#039;m that way.  Brains was a dark mild and had some minty sort of medicinal notes to it.  In London, I went to the Lowlander which had a ton of nice Belgian stuff on draught, including Meantime&#039;s Belgian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll check out some of those places next time I&#8217;m that way.  Brains was a dark mild and had some minty sort of medicinal notes to it.  In London, I went to the Lowlander which had a ton of nice Belgian stuff on draught, including Meantime&#8217;s Belgian.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeMcG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeMcG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve not had Brain&#039;s Dark for a long while, but I think it&#039;s broadly a dark mild, low in ABV &amp; light in body, with some good roasty/choc malt character - it inspired the guys behind Australia&#039;s excellent Cooper&#039;s Brewery to have a go at the style too.

There are a few cracking London pubs where you can find a real range of decent Brit beer (almost all on cask) - famously The White Horse, Parson&#039;s Green, but also The Wenlock Arms (Hoxton), The Oakdale Arms (Harringey) and The Pembury Tavern (Hackney). There&#039;s prob a good few more, but I&#039;ve not lived there for about 7 years.

The brewpub I used to work at (ZeroDegrees, Blackheath, SE London) had a great range, but not really many in UK styles. Likewise Meantime Brewing has a good bar The Greenwich Union, (in Greenwich! - not far from their brewery in Charlton), with, I hear, some great beers, but it&#039;s not really a trad English boozer, partly as it doesn&#039;t have much cask beer &amp; partly as it&#039;s more of a loungey bar. Well worth a visit, though.

@Nate - shame they don&#039;t mention the beer they gave out - but the comments about &quot;manly&quot; &amp; &quot;laddish&quot; makes me think of mass-brew lager before a decent bottled ale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not had Brain&#8217;s Dark for a long while, but I think it&#8217;s broadly a dark mild, low in ABV &amp; light in body, with some good roasty/choc malt character &#8211; it inspired the guys behind Australia&#8217;s excellent Cooper&#8217;s Brewery to have a go at the style too.</p>
<p>There are a few cracking London pubs where you can find a real range of decent Brit beer (almost all on cask) &#8211; famously The White Horse, Parson&#8217;s Green, but also The Wenlock Arms (Hoxton), The Oakdale Arms (Harringey) and The Pembury Tavern (Hackney). There&#8217;s prob a good few more, but I&#8217;ve not lived there for about 7 years.</p>
<p>The brewpub I used to work at (ZeroDegrees, Blackheath, SE London) had a great range, but not really many in UK styles. Likewise Meantime Brewing has a good bar The Greenwich Union, (in Greenwich! &#8211; not far from their brewery in Charlton), with, I hear, some great beers, but it&#8217;s not really a trad English boozer, partly as it doesn&#8217;t have much cask beer &amp; partly as it&#8217;s more of a loungey bar. Well worth a visit, though.</p>
<p>@Nate &#8211; shame they don&#8217;t mention the beer they gave out &#8211; but the comments about &#8220;manly&#8221; &amp; &#8220;laddish&#8221; makes me think of mass-brew lager before a decent bottled ale!</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://thankheavenforbeer.com/2009/06/23/a-case-when-not-drinking-beer-is-sinful/comment-page-1/#comment-5279</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for stopping by @Sarah and @MikeMcG.
I wish I knew the variety of beer pandered to complacent UK fathers, but alas, the article mentioned is the only source I could find.  Based of declining membership (and subsequent declining monetary contribution) I wouldn&#039;t shoot for the stars as far as far as quality is concerned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for stopping by @Sarah and @MikeMcG.<br />
I wish I knew the variety of beer pandered to complacent UK fathers, but alas, the article mentioned is the only source I could find.  Based of declining membership (and subsequent declining monetary contribution) I wouldn&#8217;t shoot for the stars as far as far as quality is concerned!</p>
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		<title>By: beer_scientist</title>
		<link>http://thankheavenforbeer.com/2009/06/23/a-case-when-not-drinking-beer-is-sinful/comment-page-1/#comment-5274</link>
		<dc:creator>beer_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition, it sounds like Carling and Budweiser would be a match made in heaven...revisionist type twisting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition, it sounds like Carling and Budweiser would be a match made in heaven&#8230;revisionist type twisting.</p>
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		<title>By: beer_scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>beer_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the interaction, Mike.  By the way, that&#039;s my name too.  I absolutely agree that the caring for those cask beers is a task, so I appreciate that side of the equation.  I was a little disappointed about the selection at some places.  However, I still need to write a couple follow-up articles about some highlights.  

I was able to go to some Samuel Smith&#039;s brew pubs and had some good stuff there.  The extra-stout was a much welcomed respite from bitterdom.  I also had Grolsch&#039;s wheat, which I enjoyed as a change of pace.  I found some Old Peculiar and some other good stuff, too.  I have to say that the most interesting beer, by far, was the Brain&#039;s Dark that I had in South Hampton.  Also, as poor as the choice on beer was some times, it beat the hell out of France, Portugal, and Spain.  

To be fair, I know that the highway and byways is the better place to find stuff and we were primarily in London.  I&#039;ll be back and searching for some Old Ales and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the interaction, Mike.  By the way, that&#8217;s my name too.  I absolutely agree that the caring for those cask beers is a task, so I appreciate that side of the equation.  I was a little disappointed about the selection at some places.  However, I still need to write a couple follow-up articles about some highlights.  </p>
<p>I was able to go to some Samuel Smith&#8217;s brew pubs and had some good stuff there.  The extra-stout was a much welcomed respite from bitterdom.  I also had Grolsch&#8217;s wheat, which I enjoyed as a change of pace.  I found some Old Peculiar and some other good stuff, too.  I have to say that the most interesting beer, by far, was the Brain&#8217;s Dark that I had in South Hampton.  Also, as poor as the choice on beer was some times, it beat the hell out of France, Portugal, and Spain.  </p>
<p>To be fair, I know that the highway and byways is the better place to find stuff and we were primarily in London.  I&#8217;ll be back and searching for some Old Ales and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeMcG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeMcG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carling currently have an ad extolling the virtues of their lager being made with 100% British Barley - great use of language there(!) as my guess is it&#039;s about 20% corn as well as the 100% British Barley :~)

http://www.carling.com/beer/barley-map/ (will ask for proof of age)

I&#039;ve been meaning to talk to the UK Advertising Standards Agency about it, as I really think it sets out to be misleading. (in advertising? - I know! - who&#039;da thunk it!?)

That said, the scroll along hand-drawn guide to brewing on the site is pretty cool.

Just read your comments elsewhere on here about the ubiquity of low strength Bitter in UK pubs - I totally agree, even in pubs that really know how to look after cask beer (a real skill in itself) often the range is simply several bitters of varying origin/strength (say 3.8 - 5%ABV).

We brew 5 staple beers + a changing seasonal &amp; each has a different recipe, brewing method, style, ABV &amp; colour (Pilsner, Golden Ale, Hybrid Dark Beer, Hoppy low ABV Bitter, rich red ale &amp; currently a wheat beer - broadly Belgian style - all on cask, some also in bottle). 

There are a fairly wide range of UK beer styles out there &amp; some pubs pride themselves on always having a true choice (Mild, Old, Porter, Stout, Golden Ales, proper IPA, etc) but they&#039;re quite a rarity.

Local to me, this is one such place - http://www.theshipandmitre.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carling currently have an ad extolling the virtues of their lager being made with 100% British Barley &#8211; great use of language there(!) as my guess is it&#8217;s about 20% corn as well as the 100% British Barley :~)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.carling.com/beer/barley-map/" rel="nofollow">http://www.carling.com/beer/barley-map/</a> (will ask for proof of age)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been meaning to talk to the UK Advertising Standards Agency about it, as I really think it sets out to be misleading. (in advertising? &#8211; I know! &#8211; who&#8217;da thunk it!?)</p>
<p>That said, the scroll along hand-drawn guide to brewing on the site is pretty cool.</p>
<p>Just read your comments elsewhere on here about the ubiquity of low strength Bitter in UK pubs &#8211; I totally agree, even in pubs that really know how to look after cask beer (a real skill in itself) often the range is simply several bitters of varying origin/strength (say 3.8 &#8211; 5%ABV).</p>
<p>We brew 5 staple beers + a changing seasonal &amp; each has a different recipe, brewing method, style, ABV &amp; colour (Pilsner, Golden Ale, Hybrid Dark Beer, Hoppy low ABV Bitter, rich red ale &amp; currently a wheat beer &#8211; broadly Belgian style &#8211; all on cask, some also in bottle). </p>
<p>There are a fairly wide range of UK beer styles out there &amp; some pubs pride themselves on always having a true choice (Mild, Old, Porter, Stout, Golden Ales, proper IPA, etc) but they&#8217;re quite a rarity.</p>
<p>Local to me, this is one such place &#8211; <a href="http://www.theshipandmitre.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theshipandmitre.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: beer_scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>beer_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for visiting Mike.  I&#039;m glad that you came over from there and gave Melissa credit...I&#039;ve been over there before and will stop back by now that you mentioned it.  Nate wrote this piece...so, hopefully he will know that answer as to the type of beer.  I would almost naturally guess that it was a bitter.  I share the sentiments on the Carling and especially the Fosters.  

P.S. I was recently in London and South Hampton, so I understand some distain for the Carling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for visiting Mike.  I&#8217;m glad that you came over from there and gave Melissa credit&#8230;I&#8217;ve been over there before and will stop back by now that you mentioned it.  Nate wrote this piece&#8230;so, hopefully he will know that answer as to the type of beer.  I would almost naturally guess that it was a bitter.  I share the sentiments on the Carling and especially the Fosters.  </p>
<p>P.S. I was recently in London and South Hampton, so I understand some distain for the Carling.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeMcG</title>
		<link>http://thankheavenforbeer.com/2009/06/23/a-case-when-not-drinking-beer-is-sinful/comment-page-1/#comment-5267</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeMcG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow this story passed me by - &amp; I&#039;m on this side of the pond :~)

(I don&#039;t however read The Telegraph - a right-wing broadsheet)

The Q I really wanted to ask is &quot;which beer?&quot; (I couldn&#039;t see the answer in the news piece) - see I could get excited enough to have a Damascene conversion if the Revd was offering a hoppy IPA or Imperial Stout, but I&#039;d be looking elsewhere for a cool &amp; foamy glass of Duvel if he tried to palm me off with a bottle of Fosters or Carling!

cheers
Mike
(followed you over here from your comments over on Melissa&#039;s excellent http://girlsguidetobeer.blogspot.com/ )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow this story passed me by &#8211; &amp; I&#8217;m on this side of the pond :~)</p>
<p>(I don&#8217;t however read The Telegraph &#8211; a right-wing broadsheet)</p>
<p>The Q I really wanted to ask is &#8220;which beer?&#8221; (I couldn&#8217;t see the answer in the news piece) &#8211; see I could get excited enough to have a Damascene conversion if the Revd was offering a hoppy IPA or Imperial Stout, but I&#8217;d be looking elsewhere for a cool &amp; foamy glass of Duvel if he tried to palm me off with a bottle of Fosters or Carling!</p>
<p>cheers<br />
Mike<br />
(followed you over here from your comments over on Melissa&#8217;s excellent <a href="http://girlsguidetobeer.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://girlsguidetobeer.blogspot.com/</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: beer_scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>beer_scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the faith healers.  Put them in chains.</description>
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